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RIDER REACTIONS / VUELTA a ESPANA / STAGE 5

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on August 25, 2022August 25, 2022

The key players on Stage 5 react to how it all played out.

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RIDER REACTIONS / VUELTA a ESPANA / STAGE 4

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on August 24, 2022August 24, 2022

Roglic back in red, an ominous sight for his rivals, and with his JV team looking so strong, can anyone stop them?

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VUELTA a ESPANA 2022 / WHO’S YOUR MONEY ON?

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on August 19, 2022August 19, 2022

Primoz or Hindley? Or will Remco emerge to justify and the weight expectation?

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  • 2014 Vuelta a Espana

should Contador be racing? can Froome get more robotic? do you even care? the CrankPunk LowDown on PEZ

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on September 15, 2014September 15, 2014

a rather long and amazing race in Mongolia kept me away from the computer for…

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  • 2014 Vuelta a Espana

Horner, Chris Lewis and why Lampre should never have signed the Vuelta winner in the first place

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on August 25, 2014August 25, 2014

this article originally appeared on The Roar in February, but in light of Horner being…

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9 responses to “Horner, Chris Lewis and why Lampre should never have signed the Vuelta winner in the first place”

  1. doctornurse Avatar
    doctornurse
    August 25, 2014

    Meh… As you say, this is not a new story and I would add that it is neither interesting, nor compelling. Look, I think that we can all accept that both Chris Horner and Jens Voigt, who came of age in the EPO era, (and in the case of Jens, grew up in the East German cycling system where doping was like breathing) have at LEAST seen, (and very likely took) some form of doping at LEAST once over the past 20+ years. I mean, they were in some of the dirtiest teams imaginable, and no way good team men like them were doing it on pan y acqua- ALL knowledgeable cyclists can see that right?

    Okay, so apart from Jens incredible engine, Horner’s amazing powers of recovery and their exceptional cycling brains, they also share several other talents including a keen sense of realism and serious intelligence- Its what has kept them in the peloton all this time.

    Ergo, they both are (a) Aware enough that as long as they remain “loveable old cycling characters” they will have a nice career in cycling after they retire. (b) Experienced enough to see what happens to cyclists who admit to doping after they retire- They get solid, interesting gigs pulled from under them (Jalabert, Barry, Matt white temporarily and Julich to name a few) and have to spend lots of time and money dealing with a lot of hassle and lawyers and whatever else and (c) Smart enough to know that in terms of a gig after they retire (which still leaves them, what? 40 more years to make a living doing SOMETHING and all they know is cycling) silence is golden….

    Additionally, Horner has seen first hand how speaking out can get you hosed- I seem to remember that he was a vocal critic of the US Olypic team selection and consistently got shafted from that little experience where Hincapie and Tyler Hamilton did not. Also, he saw up close how Lance in his pomp could utterly DESTROY people and even ruin their wonderful little bike companies. Then look at a cat like Levi Leipheimer who is now an almost total Pariah. Hincapie is a team owner, but he has Ochowich and his connections (With USPS and then with BMC) to thank for that , so what was the upside for them of speaking out? None…

    So of course they are not going to screw themselves over by admitting to what they saw or did or heard- Why should they? they are not under suspicion at the moment, are enjoying a long and pleasant winter of their carreers, both have good lines for well paid, post cycling gigs, and are not interested in building bikes in their dad’s bike shop (Barry), or riding the odd cyclosportif (Ullrich)…

    So meh…. Are they probably old dopers? Probably, based purely on the “lay down with dogs and get up with fleas” theory. Does it matter? Maybe, it certainly does not NOT matter, but should we be sending our time analysing this?

    Maybe after the Vuelta, which has all the makings of a classic, and hopefully will be as outwardly clean as the Giro and TdF, which would add to the spectacle…

    I’m just sayin’….

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      August 26, 2014

      not everyone watching is ‘knowledgeable’ and even then, some of those wise old bikers still defend guys like Horner all the way to the line. there was as far as i could tell no single piece that tied all the problems with Horner together with Chris Lewis getting bumped for him, so that it what this is.

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    2. Semilog Avatar
      Semilog
      August 27, 2014

      “Hornet’s hemoglobin concentration is simply too high to be natural…”

      The thing is, that in nature there’s always a range, and some people are at the tails of the distribution. This family, for example: http://www.pnas.org/content/90/10/4495.full.pdf

      The proband [Eero Antero Mäntyranta], a 53-year-old male, whose Hb level has been 200 g/liter or greater since childhood (last measurement, 236 g/liter), has been one of the best cross- countryskiersintheworld, having won three Olympic gold medals and two world championships…

      High RBC counts, elevated through the EPO pathway… entirely natural. So what do we do with someone like this? Ban him?

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  2. Phil Holman Avatar
    Phil Holman
    August 25, 2014

    Why pick on an individual like Horner? Really, isn’t there enough suspicion still in the peloton to be concerned about the whole sport? I could name a whole list for you to go after, Froome would probably be at the top. The new winners are under suspicion because they won. Sound reasonable? As for the bio profile process, the high priest of said process will decide who comes under closer scrutiny. Sound reasonable? Sheeesh!
    Make it a rules driven sport with passing a drug test as definition of being within the rules and quit all of this speculative BS and drama.

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      August 26, 2014

      it’s not ‘picking on individuals’, this article is about Horner and pointing out what us known about him to those who don’t know. your argument sounds very much like the same made when people questioned Lance. he passed all the tests too, except the ones the UCI buried.

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      1. Phil Holman Avatar
        Phil Holman
        August 26, 2014

        And so did almost everyone else in the peloton. At least there were checks and balances even though there were loopholes in the detection process. Better to fix those than to have the subjective assessment of an individual to decide if the patterns are unusual enough. What does that mean exactly (rhetorical question)? What is known about him roughly translates to what speculative muck can be spread about him. Its irresponsible and unnecessary but it sells copy if that’s the goal. Some people don’t have a lot of food on the table, but they’ve got a lot of knives and forks, so they’ve got to cut something (Bod Dylan).

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      2. nancy Avatar
        nancy
        September 14, 2014

        Why do you pick Horner instead of Danielson, Hesjedal? I can’t win MTB worlds but i can win the Giro without drugs? You can also Schleck, thomas Dekker, basso, Ulissi, Contador to the list that tested positive and teams were happy to sign them.

        The whole sport is corrupted or polluted, from the top level to even the cat 3 level. And if Craig Lewis is serious about finfing a pro team, he had to get results with champ system. Continental guys were better than him in Colorado.

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  3. Phil Holman Avatar
    Phil Holman
    August 26, 2014

    I’ll just add this comment to the whole issue of drug testing. It doesn’t matter what the form or method of the test is, it will have margins of error which the peloton will quickly discover and reset their doping regimen to avoid detection (profiles not 100% clear was the phrase). IMO, its still going on judging by all the suspicious profiles but maybe at a much reduced dosage. Ooops, did Tierman-Locke get the dosage wrong? No I’m not singling him out, he’s already been busted. But I am questioning the whole peloton and the adequacy of the new test.

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  4. Christena Garrett Avatar
    Christena Garrett
    March 29, 2016

    Thoughtful suggestions – I was fascinated by the facts ! Does anyone know where my company can acquire a sample USPS PS 2976-A copy to edit ?

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