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the question of doping in Asia and a conflict of interests

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on June 4, 2013June 4, 2013

there is a significant doping problem in the Asian cycling scene and no one is…

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43 responses to “the question of doping in Asia and a conflict of interests”

  1. KevinK Avatar
    KevinK
    June 4, 2013

    Dude that is so sad to hear. As a casual cycling fan I keep hoping that the sport is correcting itself then I read this. WTF, can’t they get serious about testing?

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 4, 2013

      some say it is the cost – between $2500 and $3000 US per test. money-saving.

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  2. Andrew Avatar
    Andrew
    June 4, 2013

    It is like cheating on an exam. It is viewed as fair if everyone has an equal opportunity to cheat. Although Taiwan’s athletic culture is a bit anemic, the doping culture goes back to the 50’s and 60’s when every victory was an ideological victory in the Cold War. Not much has changed, only the actors.

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 4, 2013

      hi Andrew, have to say I was not talking about Taiwanese riders – in fact I would say that if there are ‘clean’ nations, TW is one. based on the ‘evidence’ i’ve seen, if you get me.

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  3. Mark Roche Avatar
    Mark Roche
    June 4, 2013

    When there is no compulsory testing the message being sent out is that doping is acceptable.

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 4, 2013

      there you go. just like on the Champs Elysees for so many years, last day of the Tour, no testing! whoo!

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  4. Graham Roeber Avatar
    Graham Roeber
    June 4, 2013

    Thats insane no testing? This year they introduced testing at the bigger amateur races in the northeast US, and these are amateur races not uci pro races

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 4, 2013

      yeah Japan also, a pretty decent domestic scene with careers to be made and also no testing. when i lived there and asked a club mate why there wasn’t any, he looked at me, shocked, and said ‘Japanese people do not dope.’

      oh. ok then…

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      1. EchiDna Avatar
        EchiDna
        June 4, 2013

        FYI…
        http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/philip-gomes/blog/127897/one-step-forward

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  5. EchiDna Avatar
    EchiDna
    June 4, 2013

    its easy enough to run testing for blood and urine from horses in all these countries… “funny” that they are often the exact same drugs in question (i.e. veterinary drugs rather than human being used by pro cyclists)… for what its worth, steroid holidays in Thailand are a well known body builder treat… its simple, over the counter and cheap… scarily!

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 4, 2013

      oof, that sounds like fun. imagine getting crammed between two of those guys in economy on the way over…

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      1. Christian Hesch Avatar
        Christian Hesch
        June 4, 2013

        not even close on the $ fig Lee, if ppl are telling you that, then it’s bollox or there’s some profit taking going on. from usada, it’s between $500-$600, depending on how many you do (volume discount, test em all!!!). btw, haven’t forgotten about our chat, just have to catch my breath up here at 6000ft and dodge the textbooks that are trying to bury me~
        CH

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  6. Learn Basic Grammar Avatar
    Learn Basic Grammar
    June 4, 2013

    While you make some good points it is hard to take you seriously when you cannot even be bothered starting sentences with a capital letter.

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    1. Dear Wiggo Avatar
      Dear Wiggo
      June 4, 2013

      ur a dikhed

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      1. Learn Basic Grammar Avatar
        Learn Basic Grammar
        June 4, 2013

        Good to see you also have an understanding of basic grammar. Oh wait you don’t!

        In the real word if you want to be taken seriously you need to write correctly. Writing something so poorly cannot possibly be taken seriously by anybody in a position to bring about change.

        Oh and coming to his defence with that type of language just shows that you cannot take things seriously when written so poorly.

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    2. EchiDna Avatar
      EchiDna
      June 4, 2013

      a little strange that the author of the article himself replies without capitals to begin his sentences (multiple times) and yet you deign it worthy to post on my specific post?

      and yes, I intentionally started with a little “a” just for you…

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      1. Learn Basic Grammar Avatar
        Learn Basic Grammar
        June 4, 2013

        It was not a reply to you. Reply to the original post.

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    3. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool Avatar
      Better to remain silent and be thought a fool
      June 4, 2013

      A hypocricital negativity vent. Well done that fool.
      It is, good to see! a comment – on grammar. so, filled with it’s own : grammatical errors.
      So now CP, you may consider yourself suitably chastised. Anything that you say about cheating bike riders is not at all relevant since they are probably practicing grammatically correct doping!

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      1. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool Avatar
        Better to remain silent and be thought a fool
        June 4, 2013

        Welcome to the real WORD.

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      2. crankpunk Avatar
        crankpunk
        June 4, 2013

        it’s cp, not CP 😉

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    4. nickcalv Avatar
      nickcalv
      June 4, 2013

      John? John, is that you?

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    5. dearwiggo Avatar
      dearwiggo
      June 7, 2013

      BTW, champ. Check it:

      “While you make some good points it is hard to take you seriously when you cannot even be bothered starting sentences with a capital letter.”

      Is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. You missed a comma.

      While you make some good points, it is hard to take you seriously when you cannot even be bothered starting sentences with a capital letter.

      The comma separates the 2 ideas (good points vs taking you seriously). Without it, you need to parse the sentence twice, and the 2 ideas run together, which is clearly not the intent given the use of the word, “whilst”.

      So pull your hypocritical frackin’ head in.

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  7. dearwiggo Avatar
    dearwiggo
    June 4, 2013

    Great post yet again, crankpunk. It’s not only Asia where the heavy guys go uphill well and the light guys are kickin’ it in TTs.

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 4, 2013

      thank you Sir dearwiggo! yup, i know, worldwide…

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  8. wokattack Avatar
    wokattack
    June 4, 2013

    Reblogged this on What Journalism and commented:
    stuff happens in far east that makes Armstrong seem clean?

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 4, 2013

      thank you, much appreciated!

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      1. wokattack Avatar
        wokattack
        June 4, 2013

        no, thank you for writing it – very interesting story that gets roughly no mentions in the European media

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  9. crankpunk Avatar
    crankpunk
    June 4, 2013

    ooF, someONE long Ago just DECideD that we should usE CAPitals. you don;T see manY capitals in jAPANESE kanji do you? or in hierOGLyphiCs? or in 1000s of oTHEr languages. it’s a conVENTioN of our langUAge, created by mEn, much like ouR soCiAl conventIONs and rules – and lOOk wherE followIng thoSE got us…

    it aiN’T mathEmatics. it is a mattER of style and Substance. in any case, i’d rather that tHE ‘grammar’ be BAD and the thoughTS thoroughly set ouT and expLAINED than the other way round.

    studIES have shown howEVEr that worrYINg about such triFles as THIS directly correspond to one’s LEVel of ANALness. and ultimaTELY YOU do HAVe a choice:

    DoN’T ReAD it.

    i am a grammaR sOcIaLiSt – FREE ThE cAPITALS!

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    1. Amsterdam Hammer Avatar
      Amsterdam Hammer
      June 4, 2013

      e. e. cummings would agree…

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      1. crankpunk Avatar
        crankpunk
        June 4, 2013

        E.E. WHO?

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    2. nickcalv Avatar
      nickcalv
      June 4, 2013

      🙂

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    3. dearwiggo Avatar
      dearwiggo
      June 7, 2013

      wait. does the lack of capital letters in your posts make you an….

      anti-capitalist!!?

      kudos 😉

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  10. 53x11 (@53x11) Avatar
    53x11 (@53x11)
    June 5, 2013

    I like how you can somehow tell the difference between the riders on HGH and the riders on EPO… This seems like a bitter rant. They must’ve forgot their drugs on days you happen to do well. But totally taken their drugs on days you didn’t do well.

    Make a difference by naming names and telling your actual stories with “no hard proof.” That’ll get people talking, make sponsors angry and get officials to work.

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 7, 2013

      and really awesome GU review. loved it. not enough cutting edge stuff on the web. make that difference.

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      1. 53x11 (@53x11) Avatar
        53x11 (@53x11)
        June 8, 2013

        Thanks, great rebuttal. Why not just delete my previous comment.

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    2. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 8, 2013

      scroll down for the first reply i wrote, if you have time…

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  11. michele Avatar
    michele
    June 5, 2013

    This article reminds me of what happened some years ago in China. A young promising rider, who had been also at UCI Aigle Center for 1 or 2 years, suddenly dissapeared by the racing scene.
    As I do love to follow asian races, I asked my Shenzhen’s mate what happened and he told me something like “..the rumor says that he got a positive result at a doping control so the federation told him to stop racing for a while”.
    Indeed he appeared again like 7-8 months later.

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 6, 2013

      sounds familiar, sadly. happened recently in Hong Kong also. the story eventually emerged in a corner of a newspaper somewhere but that was all.

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    2. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 7, 2013

      but i’m not bitter. angry yes, bitter no. it just is this way and i accept it to a degree, evidenced by the fact that i have a UCI license and race these events. i’m 41, in a second career, amazed to be even putting on a number in these races. my income doesn’t depend on results, nor my self-worth. in that regard i am very fortunate. most guys are younger and scrambling to make a living. i love racing these events but there are, very often, two races in one. to those of us racing them it is plainly obvious.

      i could give you a list of at least ten current and ex-pros that i am in contact with that would validate that statement, but i don’t have their permission nor would i request it. they are riders, not officials. not their job, though, god knows, their jobs and their positions suffer because of this ill status quo.

      and did you miss Acquarone saying ‘We all knew’? how about telling him to name names? when the director of a grand tour is saying ‘WE KNEW!’ – but – implicit – ‘we could do nothing ‘ – then talk about ‘bitterness’ . how bitter would you be to be staging one of the world’s greatest events but you, and, as he said, most of the peloton, KNEW that riders were doped? how bitter if a guy tests positive on stage 1 yet animates the whole race, then gets busted? the whole system aids the dopers. if you question that, google ‘grand tour winners past 15 years’ and check.

      if i name names and get sued are you going to chip in? awesome. i’ll send you my bank details.

      about doing well on days they ‘forgot their drugs’ – check the asia tour results and work it out. certain teams aren’t there and it is a mish mash of a top ten – certain teams are there and they blanket the top ten. your comments are reminiscent of Verbruggen’s and MacQuaid’s towards Kimmage when he spoke out – just another underachiever throwing out accusations.

      you really do not know what you are talking about. but thanks for the comment.

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  12. Acquarone on the Giro Dopers: “we all knew” | crankpunk
    June 6, 2013

    […] brings us to a question, one directly pertaining to my post earlier this week about doping on the Asian scene: at what point is it justified for riders to approach officials and […]

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  13. BadRequest Avatar
    BadRequest
    June 12, 2013

    Hey Crrankpunk,
    Enjoy your commentary on the doping scene. Other clean riders must surely felt they were robbed of opportunity, especially those that try to make their cycling career stick. Did many of them quit..? Knowing they will enter races they cannot hope to win…..

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      June 13, 2013

      thanks Bad, cheers for the comment. yes, many of us quit, i was one. others mail me often, and i know others still who raced as pros, didn’t dope and for sure were robbed of advancing because of others who did dope. the sad thing is that it was so accepted – and if you see what McQuaid and the UCI have been doing, still is, generally. or seems so…

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  14. rolex 値段 Avatar
    rolex 値段
    September 10, 2013

    財布 イタリア

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