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Astana: that’s 3 strikes, get them out

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on October 24, 2014

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5 responses to “Astana: that’s 3 strikes, get them out”

  1. doctornurse Avatar
    doctornurse
    October 24, 2014

    Lee, your frustration and passion is- as per usual- running ahead of your logic on this one…

    Okay, so here we go again…. let’s grap the Crankpunk pitchforks and torches, and burn ASTANA to the ground!! Ok, so what now? You want to see the defending TdF Champion who won in majestic (if unchallenged) fashion ride against the best Stage racers in the world next year? Uhmmmmm…. Or you want to see Fabio Aru, Italy’s next stage racing talent match up against Nairo Quintana in a MTF extravaganza? Well….See……

    And what were your expectations of Vincenzo in this situation? You really expected him to speak against his own multi-million Euro self interests and start castigating his team- the same team that delivered him to the TdF crown in fine style this season, and stood by him when he was getting passed up like a cyclo-tourist in the Dauphine and had NO RESLTS all season? I mean, what were you expecting? The Vino thing is since 2007- The man won an Olympic medal and a monument since his return. He is a certified doper, and pretty unsavoury, but he is also pretty talented and bloody intelligent, AND pouring millions from state coffers into the sport… How do you propose we pitch him out???

    I am not saying that ASTANA dropped out of a flower- Obviously there are structural problems in the team that need to be sorted out, and quickly. But I would make the case that ASTANA are just a less polished, less refined, less elegant version of the slick approach to doping taken by SKY over the past few seasons (non-membership in MPCC, total opacity with information and methods, meticulous attention to every single detail – except in vetting JTL whose performances screamed “DOPER” from 100 yards away, miraculously back dated TUEs, brilliantly placed connections within the UCI, emergency Cortisol regimens for chest colds and strategic inhaler use-which miraculously was not needed as much this season- Go figure!)

    ASTANA will always be at higher risk because when you bring young men who may be good in KAZ but not THAT good on a global stage, desperation leads to stupid stuff like anabolic steroids, and shared doping regimens with their brother. I am not absolving them from responsibility, but I am also not going to paint Nibali as a doper, primarily because (a) there is no proof that he is, (b) I think that he is important to the peloton (and to Italian cycling) and (c) I would hate to see another 2008 where the ASTANA TdF Champion was prevented from riding especially as we enter this wonderful age of several first class GT stage racers all at (or near) their peaks….

    I do not think that this is FESTNA or US Postal systematic doping regimen. I suspect that this is a case where Vino chose to stringently managing his “A” team of talent due to his own shady past and the need to go the extra mile. I also think that he is under pressure to make sure that he has some KAZ dudes in the team at all times, and the cycling talent pool in that country is a bit shallow. So Vino pragmatically gives his home boys extra, extra, EXTRA room to do whatever they have to do to “Prove themselves” in the team with the express understanding that they do this on their own time, not on ASTANA property, not with ASTANA support, and as complete independents. If they win, fine, but if they get caught, they are immediately cut loose and have to fend for themselves…Hence, the distinct lack of sophistication in the doping approach and the equally distinct lack of ridiculous drawn out appeals from the guys who are caught. Game Over for them, and enter new KAZ additions to the team in 3…2…1…

    Anyway, you go ahead and grap your pitchfork and kerosene. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and we can come to some sort of rational agreement as to how we can get the cheats out, but keep the sport going. Face it Lee, the very nature of cycling means that it will ALWAYS have doping, (in fact, it ALWAYS HAD doping), and I am just pleased that cycling is doing a world leading job in finding these people and getting them out…

    Good luck with your crusade….

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    1. beev Avatar
      beev
      October 24, 2014

      So nice to read a measured reply! Can i also add to doctornurse’s comment by saying a couple of things;

      I do not see how a “lemon law” (3 strikes and you’re out) such as cp is prescribing would work, would benefit cycling, or for that matter is even applicable when you are dealing with people, or teams of people as opposed to products. people are fallable. no matter what your thought on the institution/team here, it is ultimately the individual that has let you down, and there are clear rules in place for sanctioning individuals.

      Reference to the Kreuziger case here is interesting – well for me at least. again, your inference aside cp, with respect to astana it comes down to the individual – and in this case, i believe we could be at a watershed moment for UCI/WADA. there are clear physiological and statistical failings inherent in the bio passport protocol. i think for the very first time, these will be truly exposed in this case, and the governing bodies could well be on the end of their first ever CAS defeat.

      Finally, with again so much focus on the crime and sanctions relating to doping nobody in sport has ever truly targetted the “oxygen” on which sportsmen thrive – the podium! take that away, and you may get some welcome results. history shows that both sporting bans and monetary fines of any size or shape don’t work, so imagine what would be the situation if a doping sanction also came with a podium ban for life. should a convicted doper win/place in a race, the relevant step of the podium is left empty – a permanent reminder to everyone of your indiscretion. Take vino as a case in point – who as doctornurse pointed out was no “dog in a hat” – he had everything required to win clean (or dirty). Just imagine what the impact of a podium ban could have done for the sport in his post ban years. No podium at the Olympics for the gold medallist! Reduced incentive to allegedly bribe a peer in LBL! Furthermore, what team wants to win a team prize to then have to take a podium without a member of their winning group? What sponsor wants any part of that sceanrio? What fan wants that? Take away the oxygen, take away the incentive….

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  2. hbeale Avatar
    hbeale
    October 24, 2014

    Childish and myopic article. Grow up dude.

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    Omer Stuckel
    December 19, 2014

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