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tell me lies, Lance, sweet little lies

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on December 3, 2013December 4, 2013

By Betsy Andreu As long as Lance is on his reconciliation tour, I think it’s…

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135 responses to “tell me lies, Lance, sweet little lies”

  1. Ewan Avatar
    Ewan
    December 10, 2013

    Lets not forget,this is about the money.
    Although Lance is right to say he is not the only one to cheat, however He did take the lions share of the prize money and endorsements. now he wants to clean his sole to try and remake himself into the man he was.
    On a week that saw the passing of a real man who did put his money where his mouth is, Lance could start with handing over all his fortune of ill gotten gains. Then people might start to listen

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  2. Genny Brunet Avatar
    Genny Brunet
    December 11, 2013

    I totally agree with you Ewan and thank you Betsy for writing about what you know.
    During all those years “The One Big Lie” had a purpose: Money and all the benefits it brings in one’s life without regard for other people life, their reputation and livelihood. Today, Lance is still the same man with the same objectives: Compete again (win some more) and protect what he has won ($)
    Offering compensations for the damage he has caused would be one way to begin thinking in a different direction. He would then have to take a hard look at the damage he has caused and have to evaluate it in terms that he understands ($) and cares about, before his healing process could only begin.
    It is a very long road ahead, and competing again would hinder him in that process rather than help him.

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  3. Mike Guiltinan Avatar
    Mike Guiltinan
    December 12, 2013

    Sadly Lance Armstrong shows the vast amount of money and trophies that await those who cheat. In the world of sports there are just too many Lances who are willing to take the latest elixir to give them their fame and fortune.

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  4. paul Avatar
    paul
    December 12, 2013

    Or to level up the playing field

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  5. Just A Human Avatar
    Just A Human
    December 16, 2013

    Apparently some people are too bitter and can’t allow someone to apologize. Maturity leads to greater understanding of the actions of misguided youth.

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    1. Carn Soaks Avatar
      Carn Soaks
      December 20, 2013

      Narcissist, pathological liar, sadist. You name it, L.A. could be classified as it. Don’t tell me he was a misguided youth, who is yet to mature. He was well past his mid twenties when he won his first tour, and late thirties when he finally retired that second time. What befalls you as you develop, dictates your personality and acceptance of “normal” & “just” in later life. Those who influenced L.A.’s development have a lot to answer for. They turned loose on the world a Sycophant, a Liar and a Cheat. I’d be interested in finding the notes from L.A.’s child psychologist and seeing what is written there. They’ll be the same as the notes written about his mom.

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  6. tt Avatar
    tt
    December 16, 2013

    Betsy,

    Have you thought about your own healing in this process? It seems like such a shame you are letting Lance win and having your situation make you, seemingly, over reflective and possibly even a bit bitter. Just put it past you and move on with life. You have the opportunity to place your focus and time on so many wonderful things. Yes, Lance had a negative impact on you, your husband, the sport, and many other people, and it is good to have your hand in bringing about constructive reform, but it may be time to close this chapter and look forward to bigger, brighter days 🙂

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    1. Mark Pascoe Avatar
      Mark Pascoe
      December 21, 2013

      Very Well put!

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  7. Regis Chapman Avatar
    Regis Chapman
    December 16, 2013

    This is what I’ve been saying on cyclingnews forums as well. A narcissist doesn’t suddenly “get it”. Lance knows the jig was up and it was time to try to “get in front of it”. He’s too media savvy for his own good and lacks a lot of humanity- has for a long time. I was VERY disturbed by the public timing of the meeting with Emma O’Reilly. You can see that he’s still the cripplingly insecure person he ALWAYS was. He says it himself in the foreword of Chrissie Wellington’s book just how insecure he is. Why don’t cycling publications get into the psychology of these narcissists? Why doesn’t anyone call Lance out for what he is? No one at VeloNews or Cyclingnews does it- aren’t THEY concerned with cycling’s health? How about be concerned for the well-being of a truly disturbed person like Lance?

    Lance shares a lot of traits with Steve Gleason, who before he got CTE, was basically addicted to public adulation and such people can be bought and sold easily, which is what happened to him after he was embroiled in the Bountygate scandal. He used that to become the poster-boy for The Saints organization; THIS IS WHAT NARCISSISTS DO. The Saints organization used him as a sob story to cover for their own problems. Works both ways. Lance and the media NEVER ASK Lance the hard questions or even the human questions because they know, deep down, that they are using each other.

    If we could get Lance, the human being back from his now-perpetual World Insecurity Tour and he could grow beyond his “overcompensating with ego” phase of his life NOW, then there is a chance Betsy will get what she wants back from him. However, I do think it’s a mistake to go up against a naricssist. Very rarely, even with truth on your side, do you come out ahead of them- unless they can come back to being human again.

    She is only pointing out that if he was growing beyond his narcissism, then his response would be, well, more human. I have two things that concern me: 1) Most narcissists never recover because their WHOLE WORLD VIEW is incompatible with basic humanness that we (and Betsy) expect and 2) Lance the human- who was lost so long ago by being good at endurance sports (thereby postponing his maturity) and as a result was never able to overcome his fear and insecurity that would come naturally to most people.

    What you need to do, Lance, is ACTUALLY GROW and become a human again- and if this happened, we’d all see it- not this facsimile you have been trying to sell us. Sadly, the world he inhabited for so long was populated by corporate types and shallow Hollywood women; so it’s often difficult to back away from thinking in those shallow ways. Go deep Lance- it’s your only hope, and my only hope for him and for Betsy.

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  8. Neil Myers Avatar
    Neil Myers
    December 16, 2013

    Frankie Andreu, who had competed professionally since 1989, succumbed to using erythropoietin (EPO) in 1996 when its use in the peloton was commonplace.
    He resisted Armstrong’s persistent demands that he should start working with his trainer, Michele Ferrari, a doctor who had a reputation for encouraging the use of performance-enhancing drugs.
    During the first part of the 1999 Tour de France, Betsy Andreu was in the US, with the couple’s new-born first child. She watched the TV horrified as Frankie excelled in the punishing mountain stage to Sestriere, knowing he must have been assisted by EPO.

    ‘When I found out he did use it I went ballistic and said, “This is crazy you can’t go down that path”,’ said Andreu.

    WHAT IS AMAZING IS SHE DID NOT CALL AUTHORITIES ON FRANKIE, SHE KNEW YET SHE LET IT GO UNPUNISHED . . .

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    1. cris Avatar
      cris
      February 24, 2015

      Really, she was going to send her husband to jail, when there were bigger offenders, ie: Lance?

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  9. Regis Chapman Avatar
    Regis Chapman
    December 16, 2013

    To all those who feel that a proper “punishment” is what is needed here- for example Betsy vs. Frankie (Neil Myers) or to Lance- just read Punished by Rewards by Alfie Kohn. You can see a lot of why Lance is so crippled by looking at this.

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  10. wolf Avatar
    wolf
    December 16, 2013

    Betsy was right, by Lance’s own admission. He lied and some say he’s a a world class asshole, never met him myself. Frankie, is a nice guy, I have met him and he seemed great. I get the gist having followed this saga for a while, there is some kind of ideas that Lance pressured Frankie to dope in order to, “save his job” or “be on the tour” team or whatever and he succumed to the pressures of doping. Seems a bit weird to me, that a guy would risk his own career/health by doing something illegal like doping, yet wouldn’t tell his wife to shut up. For the love of all things holy, Betsy was right. Most rational, thinking people probably knew it she was right years ago, many folks knew Lance doped, knew everyone that testified against him doped. Betsy went public and dogged Lance like the Goldmans on OJ & Frankie’s career paid the price for it. A moral victory by a strong woman or a tit for tat by a hippocratic scorned school girl? Does having the courge to go public that Lance doped make Betsy a moraly better person than Frankie, Dave Z., Levi, George or anyone else that rolled over to save their bacon by eating the hand that fed them? Did she divorce Frankie because he is a liar and a cheating doper? My wife says to me sometimes, you wanta be right or you wanta sleep on the couch!? Betsy was right and that put Frankie’s career on the couch. Maybe Lance is still a world class asshole, don’t know, still haven’t met him and really don’t give two shits. I never made a living off Lance or even a dime for that matter, the only thing worse than being Lance right now is a scorned hypocrite, and those seem to be plenty these days.

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    1. paul Avatar
      paul
      December 16, 2013

      In 99 frankie was team leader and lance had never shown any real potential to win a tdf never mind 7 and was coming back from cancer. How did he pressure anyone? Betsey is a sad person who should get a life

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  11. Fredrik Schmidt Avatar
    Fredrik Schmidt
    December 16, 2013

    Jesus, you sound like a Tea party, it’s just sports! This happens every hour, every day in business, in banking, in politics, in the army, in almost every gym, 24/7, he did it, got banned, just forgett about him, do not keep the flame burning, let him slide in to ambliviance!

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  12. Joe Green Avatar
    Joe Green
    December 17, 2013

    I would guess he has been told about steps he must go through for real reconciliation to occur, and now he is trying to be both tactically adept and very public about the process. Even if he learned about reconciliation in therapy, even if on some abstract level he vaguely understands that other people have feelings and aspirations and that he attempted to crush them, he doesn’t really feel it; in fact he’s incapable of feeling it, he’ll never feel it.

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  13. Larry Hopkins Avatar
    Larry Hopkins
    December 17, 2013

    I have some hot sauce called “Scorned Woman” she should try, perhaps that would shut her up. She’s obsessed with Lance and no confession or admission of guilt will satisfy her. I doubt many people follow her rant or care for that matter. Frankie does not come out swinging at every chance nor does he write an unsolicited narrative of this and that to drag Lance under the plow. Calling him a pathological liar…is that not doing to him what she said he did to her? Betsy Andreau can do whatever she wants with her life but my recommendation is she forgive and forget, find peace … and get on with her life.

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  14. M. Jacobs Avatar
    M. Jacobs
    December 18, 2013

    True redemption for Lance could likely be a lifelong process. From a public perspective, Lance should pour as much (or more) energy into a worldwide campaign to rid doping and drug use from all professional sports, including cycling. First, however, he must exorcise his demons by spilling all he knows — names, places, dates, actions — in sworn testimony about drug use/abuse in the pro peleton during all the time he rode professionally. Nothing would be held back. No one would be spared. From that point forward, Lance would undertake a global campaign against doping and drug use in pro sports. Repeating his admission of guilt in this process — a lifelong self-flagelation action — may help to establish and maintain some semblance of personal credibilty for his new anti-doping program. But, until Lance Armstrong gets honest, truthful and real, he will have no credibility and will forever be dispised and branded a cheater. He will be an outcast, The ball is in his court,

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  15. jay Avatar
    jay
    December 19, 2013

    Wow! Interesting comments from the bystanders with no skin in the game. She had no voice! Money, lawyers and hero worship saw to that! Now the truth is out. She had a sincere desire to forgive and move on. She is again exposing the lies.
    What a strong individual she is, I admire her strength and honesty.
    I respect Lance’s accomplishments on the bike and can understand why he said doped. His actions off the bike are dispicable.
    Oh, to the folks that want to make it political. Armstrong sounds like a democrat! He is lying to meet his agenda!

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  16. Mark Pascoe Avatar
    Mark Pascoe
    December 21, 2013

    Betsy, time to get down off of your high horse and your holier than thou attitude.
    Life is too short! Move On!

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  17. Colin McGuirk Avatar
    Colin McGuirk
    December 21, 2013

    Betsy,

    My admiration for you continues to grow.

    I wish you continued strength as the moral and ethical compass in this morass of lies, half truths and truth elasticity for as long as you choose to continue on this path.

    My faith in the Armstrong story has completely evaporated, but my faith in humanity generally is often topped up by courageous people like yourself.

    I wish you only the best, and that you get peace and serenity from the rollercoaster of negativity and destruction that surrounds Lance.

    Colin

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  18. paul Avatar
    paul
    December 21, 2013

    Without lance she doesn’t exist

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  19. Crit racer Avatar
    Crit racer
    December 22, 2013

    Betsy and Frankie were completely ok with doping when it was lining Frankie’s pockets (long before Lance had any influence on the process). Only after Lance declined Frankie’s repeated begging to be given a spot on the team, years later, was it suddenly a huge issue in the Andreu household.

    How’s that glass house Betsy?

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  20. The Outer Line: The Forgive Me Roadshow | crankpunk & company
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    […] and in other places) that nothing has changed for LA – his ‘Tour of Redemption’ (as termed by Betsy Andreu) sees him pulling out all the old tricks and carrying on business as […]

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  21. Susan Avatar
    Susan
    December 30, 2013

    I would have a great deal of respect for Betsy and Frankie if they had distanced themselves from Lance as soon as they knew the truth. However, we know they did not do this. They continued to benefit from their relationship with Lance for several years later. I am not judging them for this, but it is hard for me to understand why Betsey feels so abused by Lance. Since she and her husband did not take the high road and cut ties from Lance on a professional level as soon as they knew the truth. It is hard to understand her high moral stance against Lance, it just appears to me to be a retaliatory reaction.

    I feel sad for people like Betsy. They feel they are victims, but the truth is they are victims of their own creation. I am posting this comment in an effort to help Betsy see that she played a role in her own victimization.

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  22. Charles Corum Avatar
    Charles Corum
    January 31, 2014

    Lance is a psychopath: one whose fanatical desire to succeed at the expense on everyone else (“It’s not enough that I succeed, my friends must also fail.”) has destroyed many lives, including those of his “friends.” While one can admire his focus and dedication, the methods he used, and the destruction he inflected on others, as well as the sport of cycling, will stain his legacy forever.

    However, to put such behavior in perspective, the same psychopathic mindset by the “Titans of Wall Street,” and the politicians who gave them full-rein, resulted in the biggest theft in world history, destroyed the lives of million, and nearly destroyed the world economy.

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  23. paul Avatar
    paul
    January 31, 2014

    Fuck off Betsey you boring cunt get a life

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  24. Bev Avatar
    Bev
    February 19, 2014

    I have no words to truly express how MUCH I despise that man. None. All I can say is that the man lacks not only a conscience but a SOUL.

    And I absolutely believe, based on everything I’ve read and seen on this case, he’s been doping LONG before the mid-90s. Before he became the national champion.

    I hope there will come a day, Betsy, for you, Frankie and your family, that you’ll never have to hear, see or utter that man’s name again. He needs to be forgotten. FOREVER.

    God Bless

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    1. paul Avatar
      paul
      February 20, 2014

      But frankie was leading the charge according to big George.

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    Lera Uhler
    December 16, 2014

    Wow! In the end I got a web site from where I know how to really get useful facts regarding my study and knowledge.

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