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a riposte to Fred: criticising Armstrong a necessity

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on December 17, 2013December 17, 2013

by crankpunk Fred sent us a message, under Betsy Andreu’s great article on LA and…

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9 responses to “a riposte to Fred: criticising Armstrong a necessity”

  1. Ramona Avatar
    Ramona
    December 17, 2013

    I think we’ll be on the right side of history when all Lance’s dirty laundry gets strung out on the line. Now, when will hear from the judge re: the Qui Tam? It’s like waiting for Christmas…

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  2. johansacdesang Avatar
    johansacdesang
    December 17, 2013

    Crankpunk,

    Nice post, but I´d appreciate it if you´d give your thoughts on a few things? Your call to kick them ALL out of the sport is a good one, and heard loud and clear.

    Thanks in advance for your time answering these:

    1.) Lance banned for life while the 2014 Giro is going to honor Marco Pantani.

    2.) We go back to get Lance as far back as 1996 or earlier, but leave Indurain alone and refuse to dig up that rock. Is that just?

    3.) Tyler hid behind his MS foundation and yet people generally consider him a good guy and liked his book.

    4.) Floyd Landis potentially earning a TON of money for turning in Lance.

    5.) Betsy Andreu´s husband making money from the US Postal Regime, and then having no problems taking Mancebo on his team and dominating while Mancebo was clearly involved in Puerto, which was every bit as bad as Lance.

    6.) Lance kicked out of the sport, and Johan too (cause USADA can go after Europeans), but then why not go after Riis? Why stop with Johan? Did Bjarne have a Postal-style system or did his teams race clean, but crush other doping teams?

    7.) Many ex-Postal riders continuing to do Gran Fondos and camps and rides and make clothing when they too cheated?

    8.) Where are all the “clean” pro riders from that era and why aren´t they more upset and demanding their prize money back?

    I understand your ire and share it, most of it, save for you being okay with Betsy Andreu or anyone that had anything to do with Postal and making money from that. But given the current climate, don´t you think there is a case to be made for Lance and Johan getting a second chance? And if you don´t think so, then how can we all not clamor for them to ALL be kicked out? My own opinion is to make sure no dopers ever have anything to do with cycling again…but if not, I think Lance deserves what the Puerto guys got..2 year ban, reduced public opinion, but that´s it. If it was fair for them, then it is fair for them. And Tommy D, Zabriskie, Frankie Andreu, Tyler and Floyd and the like can all rot in hot climates below the earth´s crust.

    I really do appreciate your time and enjoy your blog. Best of luck. And thanks again.

    Johan (har har)

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    1. crankpunk Avatar
      crankpunk
      December 17, 2013

      hi Johann, thanks for the comment. well on just about all of this, i’d suggest you trawl through the ‘dopepunk’ category on here and you’ll fond that i do comment on just about everything you mentioned. i do believe Riis should be out, JV, anyone that doped, think that Levi and George should not be around making $, was not happy with Tyler and his book nor his speech at that American bike store, am tired of ex-dopers turning up on PT and Pro-Conti teams, i do think that the sport needs to go right through its history and deal with cases like Big Mig’s and others, can understand the love for Marco but think it is a reflection of the lack of education and the terrible history of the UCI and indeed just about every nation’s cycling authorities in regards to tackling this crucial issue, bemoan the fact that these old ‘star’ are still lauded as heroes, am very much on the side of non-doping former riders who get no attention and think it is they who should be giving talks on doping and be brought back to manage teams and coach, and as far as Betsy and Frankie are concerned i can separate the two because of Betsy’s continued stance against LA, and Frankie and what he got up to is another matter. Floyd should not be making a bean either.

      i am currently looking into the viability of a non-doper Gran Fondo to help raise the issues concerned here too.

      the problem with writing articles about these issues is that it is impossible to mention all these points every single time, i do have a day job and am also training. but the body of work that is on this site responds to just about everything you mentioned. hope that helps.

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      1. crankpunk Avatar
        crankpunk
        December 17, 2013

        and as for the clamor to get them all kicked out – this is my little contribution to that. i’m not a bureaucrat, nor a team manager, not a Pro Tour professional, just a guy who loves this sport and wants to see education being offered to young cyclists and mechanisms put in place to more effectively deter those who might cheat, and to effectively punish those who will cheat anyway and are caught. right now we have none of that. and either we listen to these people who say ‘get over it’ and ‘move on’, or we keep up with this rather dull and monotonous task of calling for change and reminding people why this matters.

        the motivation to do this comes not from bitterness nor a pettiness of the mind, but from passion, from a love for what sport is meant to be. cos when you do it right and when you do it clean, it is one of mankind’s greatest contributions to this thing we call ‘us’. evolution does not end with the physical, it continues with the mental.

        and right now, to all intents and purposes, looking at a world in which bankers and chancers can cripple a society and escape scot-free, in which talentless celebrities and talk show hosts are paraded as the philosophers of the age, and in which, looking at professional sport, it seems that cheaters do in fact win, what else can you think but that our collective mental development has ground to a profound halt…

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      2. johansacdesang Avatar
        johansacdesang
        December 18, 2013

        Thanks for taking the time to respond, CrankPunk. I will check out those posts. In the meantime, great blog. And keep up the anti-doping spirit. I hope people keep reading what you have to say.

        Cheers,

        Johan

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      3. crankpunk Avatar
        crankpunk
        December 18, 2013

        thanks Johann, crank on!

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    2. Patrick Avatar
      Patrick
      December 18, 2013

      1.) Lance banned for life while the 2014 Giro is going to honor Marco Pantani.

      Marco was banned for life. Now he’s dead and may return to competition.

      2.) We go back to get Lance as far back as 1996 or earlier, but leave Indurain alone and refuse to dig up that rock. Is that just?

      Indurain has the IQ of a lost goat, but is a sweet guy and everyone feels sorry for him.

      3.) Tyler hid behind his MS foundation and yet people generally consider him a good guy and liked his book.

      Tyler had an MS foundation? News to about 99.9% of humankind,

      4.) Floyd Landis potentially earning a TON of money for turning in Lance.

      Lance fucked him first.

      5.) Betsy Andreu´s husband making money from the US Postal Regime, and then having no problems taking Mancebo on his team and dominating while Mancebo was clearly involved in Puerto, which was every bit as bad as Lance.

      Yeah right. Like some kid steals a loaf of bread in depression-era Chicago is a criminal the same as Al Capone.
      6.) Lance kicked out of the sport, and Johan too (cause USADA can go after Europeans), but then why not go after Riis? Why stop with Johan? Did Bjarne have a Postal-style system or did his teams race clean, but crush other doping teams?

      Not many people know Bjarne is part of the Danish Free Masons, who run the world.

      7.) Many ex-Postal riders continuing to do Gran Fondos and camps and rides and make clothing when they too cheated?

      Again, someone can steal a loaf of bread, but they are not the same as Al Capone. Not “same-same.”

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  3. MikeB Avatar
    MikeB
    December 21, 2013

    Crankie, I am no LA apologist, but I think something was misunderstood. Lance muffed his words, but if you play it again I think you will see he tried to make an analogy. He did not want to refer to the hospital itself, but said ( iforget hus exact words) “she says I called her lazy fat bitch, where I actually said fat bitch”, – an extremely ill conceived analogy which meant ” some of what she said may be true, but not all” . He should not have used an analogy based around her which risked confusion but he muffed his words I think, and did not intend calling her fat, only illustrating the difference between things said and remembered.

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