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10 GORGEOUS GRAVEL BIKES TO DROOL OVER

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on September 13, 2022September 13, 2022

Gorgeous gravel rigs to make you go mmm!

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First Fat Bike USA Championships: looks like a blast!

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on February 24, 2015

‘First off you’re riding bikes, on snow – that’s silly… but it’s fun!’ Did she…

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crankpunk’s first proper bike features on GCN

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on January 18, 2015January 18, 2015

Well it’s not actually my bike, it’s Stephen Roche’s, but it is exactly the same,…

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beautiful bikes from Firefly

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on June 9, 2013June 9, 2013

thanks to my friend Bjarke for putting me onto this rather lovely bunch of bikes…

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my Euro adventure 2011: part 2

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on December 17, 2012December 19, 2012

‘just make sure you don’t get dropped…. oh, and don’t crash anyone.’

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old bikes vs. new: are we under-appreciative of the modern machine?

  • by Lee Rodgers
  • Posted on November 19, 2012November 21, 2012

as is often his wont, crankpunk was sat at a local coffee shop a few…

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49 responses to “old bikes vs. new: are we under-appreciative of the modern machine?”

  1. Nathan Dahlberg Avatar
    Nathan Dahlberg
    November 20, 2012

    My first race bike (1981) was a second hand Ti Raleigh with a mixture of Original Shimano Dura ace and Zeus equipment probably about 5 years old at the time weighing roughly 23 pounds. Since than I’ve ridden a large variety of all sorts and they have subjectively at least given a wide variety of all sorts of rides good and bad. By and large I haven’t liked the new generation of bikes and that’s nothing to do with looks or what they are made of but due to the profusion of straight forks. For me straight forks whether on a steel , aluminum or carbon bike make it extremely twitchy and gives you the feeling your on the “rivet’ the whole time , relaxing and taking corners with confidence is not part of the game –but it could be all subjective!
    About 6 years ago I acquired by way of sponsorship a set of training wheels from a very prominent manufacturer – apart from being free they were great wheels , strong durable ready for training and racing and responsive – the only downfall was the cheap sealed bearing’s which seems to be the fault of most current products. 2 years later and after reading very good reviews of one of there racing sets of wheels (light, aero, strong) I actually forked out some money and bought a set (at trade price of course). Disappointing to say the least , they felt no better than the training set , constantly went out of true even broke a spoke which was nightmare to replace and costly and all the great advantages of the training set were gone, no just jumping onto a dirt road when I felt like it etc. The only good thing was that I managed to resell them and get my money back.
    As I sat back and considered the misfortune of these “good” wheels I realized the misconception was mine , if in 1981 I had bought a pair of equally lightweight wheels with aero spokes than I would’ve kept them merely for special occasions , time trials , national road races etc. In fact I had a 1980’s riders mindset durability wise but I was expecting something that doesn’t exist even in the 21st century– speed or should I say light weight and strength combined.
    What has really changed in cycling the most in 33 years – the demographics of the “racing” population. In 1981 cycling was pretty much a young mans (not women’s) sport for working class and trades people. Disposable incomes were low and bike material had to last – durability was a premium. There had been a lightweight craze in the 1970’s , lightweight steel , titanium and even carbon frames and components had been made – by the 80’s it died out , not only wasn’t the technology there – the money to support it wasn’t. Jump to now , those working men and trades people work weekends , no time for sport , cycling is a sport for professional people , usually older , often yuppies and dinkies. Disposable incomes are relatively very high – new and indeed multiple new bikes are a normality , durability is no longer important and with the high turnover of bikes, manufactures can give free replacements to bikes that just “fall” apart driving any small frame builder out of business (as he can’t afford to replace super light disposable bikes ). Even better for the consumer because of the growth of the bike industry a very good bike can be bought new for a fraction of the new bike circa 1981 real dollar price. The demographics has also changed other things , professional people are intrinsically involved with numbers , everything can be weighed, measured ,compared – numbers can describe reality so instead of traditional subjective feeling , intuition and comfort the sport can be reduced to power out puts , coefficients of drag, kilos etc and with the right figures the right results!! (I mean just jump on a home trainer with the right setup and video machine and viola you can also race the Tour de France!!)
    And what happened in 33 years – during the 80’s bikes got heaver – my 1991 Merck with Duraace 8 speed was 24 pounds (compared to just 20/21 pounds as an average race bike in 1980), aero came in, and rather surprisingly most of the fastest climbs in history were made in the mid 90’s on some of the heaviest bikes in history, showing that the weight in the veins is far more important to speed than the weight in the tubes. Recently friction has become an issue again – yes it’s something that was big way back when decent bearings etc were made – including taking one ball bearing out and replacing grease with a drop of sewing machine oil!! When one thinks about it friction and resistance exist constantly, whereas aerodynamics play a major roll much less of the time and weight only occasionally!!
    And with the current generation of bikes, yeah it all looks pretty , Carbon light weights and deep dish wheels etc but the biggest change has been gears , the huge range of sprockets. If you look at 70’s and even 80’s guys going up Mountain pass’s were just flogging themselves trying to turn massive gears than in sprint finish’s it was more like drag racing as guys ran out gears and was a long spin to the finish. The small gears are changing the whole nature of racing , every year the organizers of Vuelta and Giro find steeper and steeper mts and the riders winning them get smaller and skinny – nowadays Merck would’ve been a domestique for Fuente!. Sprinters are outta of saddle the whole sprint now on enormous gears. There’s a huge increase in specialization because the gears allow it – and the race courses have adapted themselves to the material in other ways- none so much as time trialing. When I arrived in France 1984 a TT was 60 – 80 kms long and a maze of corners and small hills. Now its a flat highway course – Time trialing has adapted it self to the TT bike in fact!! Likewise in Belgium , where there’s almost no cobbled races any more – why not , no one wants to go to cobbled races because they might damage there carbon wheels sets!
    Ultimately a sports timing in technology, sports rules, finance, marketing , demographics ,media orientation etc etc ,etc ,etc are what make it at that particular moment. The current bike we see at this moment is the bike that suits this moment the best in all those ways above – and like races and riders in the past can’t be judged with the present or future, bike rational and design can’t be either.
    I was bought up with curved forks in a time when bike handling was considered a Paramount factor – at 47 years old that factor remains paramount. A 16 year old rider starting his racing career tomorrow will probably never know what a curved fork is so it will never be even a consideration when reflecting on bikes he has owned 30 years hence!!

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  2. Andrew Avatar
    Andrew
    November 20, 2012

    It may simply be that modern CF bikes are oversold. Each model year the bike companies need to argue the case for a new bike purchase and thus extoll the benefits of a bike that is 12% stiffer (Pinarello) or more laterally stiff and vertically compliant. The functional differences between a 1984 Bianchi and a 2013 Cervelo are not as great as marketing execs would like everyone to believe. The bicycle is one of the greatest tools of our species. It may be that it is underrated in its significance because it doesn’t kill in the mass numbers of a fighter plane or H-Bomb, but the advancements in design since the advent of the safety bicycle have been incremental. It is still a couple of triangles, two wheels, a crank and chain drive, with bars for steering.

    You can build a bike with the same attributes as the Cervelo R3-SL from steel or titanium or magnesium or alloy. It all depends on how the builder chooses to use the materials and the trade-offs made if it isn’t custom and…. if weight isn’t an issue. With UCI imposed weight limits it isn’t that much of an issue anyways.

    In your line of work, empirical research shows and as demonstrated in the last TdF, it is not the equipment that makes the winners, but an excellent team with solid tactics.

    So, I think there are some modern classics coming out of the CF revolution. The Colnago C-40, the Look 585, Parlee Z1, Calfee Dragonfly, Pinarello Dogma 60:1, and even the Cervelo R3-SL (which in my opinion is a better ride than the R5).

    What gives the bikes listed above enough of a following to make them still sought after, is balance and ride quality, rather than simply equating lightness and stiffness with a subjective “better”.

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  3. crankpunk Avatar
    crankpunk
    November 21, 2012

    you wait all week for a decent comment then two come along all at once. very interesting replies fellas! Nathan some great points there, especially about the forks and the demographics. i remember back in 87 when i started riding, there was a gapo between the equipment the pros used and what most if not all the riders i knew could afford. the true pro bikes were just out of our reach. nowadays, you’ll often see ‘pro’ bikes on sunday club runs. nothing wrong with that – i make a living as a result of it – but there is definitely a different attitude to it all.

    Andrew good point re the volume of sales these days. back in ‘the day’ cycling was hardly a glamorous sport and in countries such as NZ, Oz, the US and England it had nowhere near the popularity it has now. with the increase in the profile more people come into the sport (a good thing), and more buy bikes (also good, if you’re connected to the industry). but for sure there is this sense that things are more disposable as a result. but as i mentioned, and as Nathan states too, it may also be as a result of us expecting modern equipment to ‘do more’. when i was a kid everyone had race wheels and a summer bike and a winter bike – these days it seems more people expect a bike to do it all, and then are annoyed when it breaks!

    to be absolutely honest i haven;t paid for a bike in 4 years – if it was my money, i’d buy aluminum! just so much easier to keep.

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  4. Andrew Avatar
    Andrew
    November 21, 2012

    I think a lot of he “developments” are hyped. Not all, but a lot.

    I went with custom ti to get the most out of a material that will last. The results are a bike that has a lot of the features of carbon wonder bikes, in a balanced, confident bike that is stiff in the right places.

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  5. Paul Avatar
    Paul
    November 24, 2012

    sitting in my garage i have a hand built Harry hall Columbus slx tubing… Chrome forks… Campag chorus.. 1988… Raced on it for 5 years….88-92…loved it then…still love it now… Now 40 back into racing but with a cannondale supersix…different gravy…!

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  6. crankpunk Avatar
    crankpunk
    November 25, 2012

    hi Paul, thanks for the comment… i used to travel to Harry Hall’s in Manchester about twice a month to drool over his stock. i bought a pair of mavics there when i was 16 and didn’t even realise til i got home and tried to put a clincher on that i’d bought tubulars – in fact i didn’t even know what a tubular wheel was…! awesome to hear that you’re back in the saddle, she’s a forgiving mistress, Old Dame Cycling! good luck man, whatever you ride

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    August 14, 2013

    Well thought out posts all! I think Ernie Colnago would argue with Nathan about the forks though. I had a Landshark with a straight fork and frankly could tell no difference between it and other similar bikes with curved forks – except aesthetically of course! State-of-the-art vs bikes from back-in-the-day (even if they were made recently) is a never ending argument – would you rather have the newest-latest Ferrari or a rare GT250 from 1961?

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