{"id":5613,"date":"2015-01-31T07:02:26","date_gmt":"2015-01-31T07:02:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/crankpunk.com\/?p=5613"},"modified":"2015-01-31T07:14:52","modified_gmt":"2015-01-31T07:14:52","slug":"talansky-leipheimer-a-bromance-for-the-ages","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crankpunk.com\/ja\/2015\/01\/31\/talansky-leipheimer-a-bromance-for-the-ages\/","title":{"rendered":"Talansky & Leipheimer: a bromance for the ages"},"content":{"rendered":"

Ever fallen in love with someone?
\nEver fallen in love?
\nIn love with someone
\nEver fallen in love? (Love\u2026)
\nIn love with someone
\nYou shouldn’t’ve fallen in love with\u00a0\u00a0 <\/em>The Buzzcocks<\/p>\n

Andrew Talansky knows that feeling. When all around you judge you for nothing less wrong than lovin\u2019. How deep it cuts. The scars it can leave. Ah to be young and in love and misunderstood.<\/p>\n

But the young American isn\u2019t being shy about it, not at all. In fact, he\u2019s telling all and sundry about it on Twitter, and, as you know, if it\u2019s on there it must be real.<\/p>\n

https:\/\/twitter.com\/andrewtalansky\/status\/559066514016305152<\/a><\/p>\n

It\u2019s great to see these two have healed the rift caused by Talansky\u2019s comments back in January 2014, when he witheringly said:<\/p>\n

I feel genuine hatred towards Leipheimer. He\u2019s a worthless lying scumbag making false statements that hurt the sport I love.<\/em><\/p>\n

To have gotten over being called a \u2018worthless lying scumbag\u2019 shows Levi to be a bigger man than I though he\u2026 oh wait, sorry, got that wrong!<\/p>\n

Talansky was in fact talking about Di Luca <\/em>there, not Leipheimer. You can see how I got those two mixed up though, what with both of them having lied for several years and for making false statements for, well, just about every day they woke up as professional cyclists, knowing full well they were juiced and were going to do it again. And again, and again, etc and so on.<\/p>\n

Indeed Talansky could have been talking about any number of old pros who later \u2018admitted\u2019 there were essentially high-speed pharmaceutical cabinets on wheels in their day.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s hard to keep track though these days, with these modern pros who say they aren\u2019t doping and can we all please stop going on about it and who then launch attacks on one doping ex-pro but not another because they don\u2019t like what the guy said to a journalist. I\u2019m never sure just who is the bad guy, but as a general rule of thumb it seems that if they speak English and if you admired them when you were younger, then they\u2019re the \u2018OK Dopers.\u2019<\/p>\n

Johnny Foreigner Doper I don\u2019t Know = Bad.<\/em><\/p>\n

English Speaking Doper I know = Good. <\/em><\/p>\n

Not quite E=mc2 but it\u2019ll do.<\/p>\n

Still not convinced? See Cavendish & Ricco vs. Cavendish & Armstrong.<\/p>\n

Or Talansky & Levi vs. Talansky & Di Luca.<\/p>\n

Or any of the hundreds and thousands of ill-informed and frankly prejudiced (notice how I avoided saying \u2018f**king dumb\u2019 there? Phew!<\/em>) forum posts on this matter.<\/p>\n

Maybe it\u2019s also that these guys are a lot like the old guys. Jonathan Vaughters, Talansky\u2019s boss, said as much back in 2012.<\/p>\n

“It’s not cool to say so, but Andrew has a lot of the same personality traits as Lance,” said JV.<\/p>\n

Yikes.<\/p>\n

Talansky himself isn\u2019t quite sure what he\u2019d have done \u2018back in the day\u2019 either.<\/p>\n

“I can’t say I would have said no or yes [to doping back in Levi\u2019s era],” said the Garmin rider at a press conference after he\u2019d won a stage at Paris-Nice in 2013.<\/p>\n

Great backbone there Andrew.<\/p>\n

Sarcasm aside, it is disheartening to see that at least one (there are actually many) of the leading lights of the new generation does not grasp that, in spite of the pressures riders may face it is ultimately up to them to cheat or not. Others held out and at great personal cost, too. And remember, these guys didn\u2019t decide to cheat just once \u2013 they decided to do it every single day for years.<\/p>\n

Kind of like if you come from an Italian neighborhood which was once full of body-chopping-up Mafioso but now things are better and you have a management position in a reputable company but you still idolise the old boys and figure \u201cHey, they had to do what they had to do.\u201d<\/p>\n

Anyone from outside your particular environment would see that kind of thinking as nonsensical because it\u2019s never ok to terrorise neighbourhoods and to butcher people in country ditches with a cutthroat razor, but to you, it makes perfect sense, in large part because you are still idolizing the old guys. You are romanticizing and yes, like Talanaksy with Leipheimer, you are blinded by some sick form of love and a misdirected sense or loyalty to a guy who cheated himself rich.<\/p>\n

And who, actually, is still at it.<\/p>\n

Back in 2013 at the Paris-Nice press conference, Talansky said \u201cYou look at what I’m doing \u2026 and if you want proof that cycling is clean now, look no further.”<\/p>\n

Alright, let\u2019s look at what Andrew is doing then.<\/p>\n

He attacked Di Luca so feverishly because Di Luca said that to get in the top ten at the Giro you had to dope.<\/p>\n

He attacked a former American pro rider back in 2012, Andy Jacques-Maynes, who had tweeted that \u201cMy perception is that EVERYONE [sic] racing in Europe has been doped at some point.\u201d<\/p>\n

Talansky wasn\u2019t happy about that either.<\/p>\n

\u201cI would like to call out Andy Jacques-Maynes,\u201d he said at the time. \u201cHe went on Twitter and said that everyone who races in Europe has done drugs at some point.\u201d<\/p>\n

Ok, I know what you\u2019re thinking, these two were clearly guilty of exaggerating, and they probably were. But by how much?<\/p>\n

A recent study by Sporting Intelligence finds that at least 65% of top ten riders at the Tour from 1998 to 2013 were either busted for doping or caught up in doping investigations and stings.<\/p>\n

\u201c81 different riders took a TdF top 10 from 1998-2013\u2026 53 of those \u2013 65 percent \u2013 were almost definitely doping,\u201d <\/em>states the article.<\/p>\n

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Have a look at this graphic from The New York Times <\/em>also, gives a nice kapow<\/em> kind of feel to the whole thing. You could play snakes and ladders on that grid quite easily\u2026<\/p>\n

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So, that is 65% that we know of. Ask a few former clean pros if 65% is an accurate enough number for that time and they will, to a one, tell you that it is not \u2013 it should be far higher. Ask them what they think about these current riders and they will talk about micro-dosing, the benefits to dopers of the passport system, the prevalence of former dopers in management positions, riders still going to dodgy doctors (see the Padua Investigation and riders visiting Ferrari) and the sheer number of \u2018new generation\u2019 riders still getting busted, and possibly ask you to look at the widespread increase in doping amongst amateurs who are so lacking in natural talent that they should really have jacked in the bike and taken up badminton, and it\u2019ll leave you wondering what the f**k to believe.<\/p>\n

But be thankful for Talansky, showing us the way. Thank the lycra-clad gods that here we have a dude who is consistent in his censuring of former DopeKings. Thanks Eddy that we have a guy here who understands that to have his photo taken with Levi and to attend his Gran Fraudo would be really kinda messed up and send out at best a confusing message, at worse, to make it look like he was saying \u2018well doping back in the day was ok cos they were all so sensitive & frail.’<\/em><\/p>\n

So yeah. Andrew Talansky, we salute you.<\/p>\n

https:\/\/twitter.com\/andrewtalansky\/status\/559066514016305152<\/a><\/p>\n

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Ever fallen in love with someone? Ever fallen in love? In love with someone Ever fallen in love? (Love\u2026) In love with someone You shouldn’t’ve fallen in love with\u00a0\u00a0 The Buzzcocks Andrew Talansky knows that feeling. When all around you judge you for nothing less wrong than lovin\u2019. How deep it cuts. The scars it can leave. Ah to be young and in love and misunderstood. But the young American isn\u2019t being shy about it, not at all. In fact, he\u2019s telling all and sundry about it on Twitter, and, as you know, if it\u2019s on there it must be real. https:\/\/twitter.com\/andrewtalansky\/status\/559066514016305152<\/a> It\u2019s great to see these two have healed […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":40955418,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","wpupg_custom_link":[],"wpupg_custom_link_behaviour":[],"wpupg_custom_link_nofollow":[],"wpupg_custom_image":[],"wpupg_custom_image_id":[],"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_wpcom_ai_launchpad_first_post":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"{title}\n\n{excerpt}\n\n{url}","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"_wpas_customize_per_network":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[119818829,159546164],"tags":[77823,1344414,6844515],"class_list":["post-5613","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-dopepunk","category-punkopinion","tag-doping","tag-leipheimer","tag-talansky"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t\n\t\t